Saturday, October 19, 2013

Local 9/11 "Truthers" Make Documentary


I'm sorry I missed the event last week where the local 9/11 truthers presented their truther "documentary".

It amazes me that there are folks who are still flogging their silly conspiracy theory, and that some people actually take them seriously. That Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 is documented in great detail in books like The Looming Tower and is established beyond reasonable doubt.

To get some idea of the ragtag bunch of people who endorse this crap, take a look here: a professor of public administration, a professor of economics, a professor of physics, a professor of economics, a professor of mathematics, and a professor of English. Not a single person with any expertise in politics, Middle East studies, architecture, or building design among the endorsers.

Pathetic.

15 comments:

Robert Byers said...

Are you saying that the high educated class can be WRONG about matters not directly in their study/work???
Do not evolutionists tell creationists that the "scientific COMMUNITY" know evolution is true and not just the small numbers of evolutionary biologists who get paid to study the subject. Maybe 775 in the states or so!!
Whats the equtation here?
They use these profs to give credibility with the same belief that evolutionists use profs to settle origin issues.
What's the difference??

Your right that conspiracy stuff is dumb.
The only possible thing I ever read was Israeli trackers smelled something big was up but left it along thinking any terroristic attack in America would help Israel.
I don't know if this true but its more plausible.
Oddly enough here in Toronto I had association with two victims.
i net a man who's son fell off one building, Canadian, and knew a guy here who's girlfriend's brother, A African, was killed in a building as he was a security guard.
Most victims in the buildings were foreigners as I understand.
of coarse its all part of the bigger matter of America involvement in obscure third world countries in the middle east.
A sad mess they made and reaped.

Jeffrey Shallit said...

They use these profs to give credibility with the same belief that evolutionists use profs to settle origin issues.

You're very confused, Robert, which is not surprising considering your inability to form sentences.

Nobody in the scientific community regards lists of non-biologists signing petitions as meaningful. Just the opposite -- it is creationists like you who go about such silliness. The "Steve project" was created to mock you and your friends, not to establish anything about evolution.

Jeffrey Shallit said...

Most victims in the buildings were foreigners as I understand.

You understand incorrectly. Why should anyone be surprised? Morons give moronic commentary; it's in their nature.

Throw in the trowel said...

"The only possible thing I ever read was Israeli trackers smelled something big was up but left it along thinking any terroristic attack in America would help Israel.
I don't know if this true but its more plausible."

How would it help Israel? What, the money needed to repair New York would somehow be diverted to Israel?
Also, when you say "more plausible," you didn't say what it was more plausible than.

Robert Byers said...

Mr Shallit
Am i wrong? Was not the Steve project counting 'scientists" who supported evolution and not ONLY biological evolutionary scientists??
I thought thet were saying COMMUNITY of scientists beats small room of creationists!
They are listing non biologists to back up their authority claims!
So my point about the high educated classes being invoked for this or that is rightly spurned and for origin issues too.
if scientists are invoked as authority against us then it must only be a small group of paid evolutionary biologists.
i don't know what you do and I'm nOT saying people can't be involved if they are educated on these matters. i say i am and heaps of creationists thouygh with no biology degrees.
i'm just noting rules are being broken here.

i read the wiki thing and note they are saying people died from cancer from the effects. HMMM. I suspect thats not true.
anyways the foreign number is only showing people who ONLY are non citizens of america. i understood most had dual citizenship and were not born in America. a foreigner is still that despite becoming a citizen.
So not real Americans. JUst citizens living alongside Americans.

Jeffrey Shallit said...

Am i wrong?

Yes.

Was not the Steve project counting 'scientists" who supported evolution and not ONLY biological evolutionary scientists??

You missed the point entirely - not surprising to anyone who reads your illiterate comments. The Steve project is an elaborate joke that pokes fun at the Discovery Institute's list of people who doubt Darwinism. I'm sorry you are too stupid to get the joke.

Jeffrey Shallit said...

i understood most had dual citizenship and were not born in America. a foreigner is still that despite becoming a citizen.

Your attempt to weasel out of your lies is transparent. That's the nature of fundamentalist religionists. They have to lie, even when they get caught.

Skinner said...

If you want to say "you're an idiot", that makes sense. If you want to tie in other people to his idiocy, that's quite acceptable, too. But I don't understand the point of saying "it's your/their nature." What does that add? It kind of makes it sound like they can't help it, which should make you want to go easier on them.

Robert Byers said...

Mr Shallit
lies? No deception here but info stats .
i think I'm right most were foreigners though having dual citizenship.

The Steve project was indeed mocking but it was mocking about head counts on who agreed with evolution and who didn't!
i thought they really did count steves who agreed to evolution and so a mere first name beat creationists head counts.
antways I think this was their purpose and in so doing makes my point about the vain attempt to dismiss creationism by claims of a scientific community.
Its just a small group who study origin issues and are called scientists.
Evolutionists do this head counting thing all the time and your thread here shows how its worthless in credibility in serious subjects demanding research.

Jeffrey Shallit said...

i think I'm right most were foreigners though having dual citizenship.

Stop lying! Having dual citizenship doesn't make you a foreigner. Both my kids have dual citizenship but aren't foreigners. Second, you've provided no evidence at all that most of the people killed had dual citizenship.

Fundies like Byers have to lie, because their whole world view is based on lies.

antways I think this was their purpose

So stupid you don't get the joke when it is explained to you.

KeithB said...

Michelle Bachmann had dual citizenship. (Until she renounced it during her campaign.) Is she a "foreigner"?

What does "foreigner with dual citezenship" mean other than a racist code word?

Byers: Hint. First rule of holes.

Robert Byers said...

Mr Shallit.
I don't get the joke and it wasn't explained to me either.
I don't think it was a joke. it was a comment on head counts.
Explain it in thirty words or less?

A foreigner is a person who comes from a different people or nation and must enter ones boundaries by the consent of the one owning the boundaries.
So dual citizenship might indicate this. Indeed it might not.
The point is that I heard most victims were not american people. they wereimmigrants .
However I'm unsure .
Human life trumps identity in a case like this of coarse.
The terrorists were also not Americans and i don't think had citizenship papers.

You seem angry but its a forum you offer to the public.
you don't seem grateful to be in my country(just kidding eh)

Jeffrey Shallit said...

Byers:

If I had to explain to you everything you don't understand, it would be a full-time job.

The point is that I heard most victims were not american people. they wereimmigrants .

You heard wrong. I'm sorry your religion prevents you from admitting that.

KeithB said...

Byers, you are sounding more and more racist! What does it matter anyway? As you said, they were all human beings.

Here is some information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks

KeithB said...

Oops, sorry Jeffrey, I did not see that you had already linked to the Wikipedia article. To be fair to Byers, it does not really state whether the non-foreign nationals were immigrants.
For example, I will concede that a lot of the waitstaff and workers at the "Windows on the World" were probably not native born, but that is a small fraction of the total.